#anti cluemaster

[just-an-enby-lemon]

Green Arrow: Just for curiosity how many of you kids are related to a villain? *silence* I'm not judging. We always have some of those, Emi has a complicated thing about being raised by Komodo for a bit and Lian's mom is Cheshire but they are both great kids and I'm proud to have them as part of my family. So how many of you bats have evil relatives?

*Cass, Damian and Duke raise their hands*

Tim: Are you just not going to?

Steph: Yep.

Tim: Why?

Steph: Cass mother is Lady fucking Shiva and Damian is an Al Ghul. Ollie would likely ask me and Duke *mimicks Oliver's voice* "I don't know this ones who are they?" and Duke will go "oh my dad is a superpowerfull evil entity" and I'll go "my dad is discount Riddler" and Ollie will quip "isn't Riddler discount Riddler?" because my dad is a cringe failure even at being evil!!

[spooky-donut-ghost-house]

How far must one reach to say that Steph was wrong to beat up her ABUSIVE father because he was being beaten for 10 minutes and was defenseless boo fucking hoo the man did far worse to Steph I'm sure the asshole can handle getting his ass beat for 10 fucking minutes

Just say you hate women and fuck off

[horsechestnut]

Bruce leaving Steph in a house with her abuser and the fucking Riddler for at least two months because he was using her as a spy to get them on a bigger bust vs. Dinah breaking down the door the second she finds out Steph is in an unsafe environment sure is something.

[faeriekit]

@chromatographic I DUNNO, YOU PICK

Batfams sin Batman are some of my ✨favorite✨ AUs.

Consider:

Talon!Dick gets assigned to Tim Drake (kid of an Owl family, the Drakes.) They are both very lonely and EXTREMELY undersocialized. They bond.

They eventually meet up with Resurrected!Jason, who has already lived and died (RIP) and is now back to take Gotham under his crime lord wing. It'd work better if tiny!Damian wasn't clinging to him, but eh. It'll do.

"If we work together, we could take down the court of owls...👀"

Red Hood now operates out of Drake manor. Rent is free and they don't lose out on warm water at random. It checks out.

Damian goes out at random because he's eight and a menace. On three separate occasions, he comes back with a cat, a dog, and Cassandra Cain

"Cain is LIKE a dog." "A girl is not a dog, Damian."

"Sometimes they are." "DAMIAN."

Jason comes home one day with Duke. No one questions it. He's just lumped into the cloud of brothers/sister/sibling thing they currently have going on and he gets sorely needed sandwiches

The destruction of the court of owls ensues—badly, because everyone is under the age of 25, and poorly fed to boot—

and then culminates in Batman opening an unusually loud sewer grate, and finding a) a dead child he failed to save, b) his dead son, c) the neighbor, d) TWO child assassins, and, 5) Duke Thomas, arguing at the top of their lungs about how to attack a highly sought after and popular local politician.

Batman looks at the Robins(es).

The Robins(es) look at Batman.

...Everyone immediately books it in a different direction lol

[dailycass-cain]

As promised many months ago to end this day, here's a 🧵of the insanity Cassandra Cain's "human" body can do due to what David Cain put her through (besides the two obvious ones of body language and various forms of killing he trained her in).

The best issue that showcases that is of course Batgirl Vol. 1 #14 where various government agencies look at the footage Cass got caught filmed in.

The first few pages are literally showcasing how inhuman, but still bordering on human she is due to what David Cain put her through.

This is always fully covered throughout Batgirl Volume 1 and is usually forgotten when writers and editors tend to have their job. Not saying any names or storylines of any RECENT kind where a WAR broke out in GOTHAM.

is still salty YES

We've seen Cass's speed all the time throughout the Puckett run. To just showcase the prior issue's bullet dodging or her issue of Tim (#18) be child's play (along with her taking several shots up close and dodging each one from a certain corrupt government bastard).

Nah the best example of Cass's true "speed" is in #34 facing the mob boss Ving and his gang.

Yeah, you're seeing that right she is faster than a freaking bullet. Surprising how SOME seem to forget that in other comics. 🙄

Something even Batgirls remembered (#15) when Cass was playing shogun dodge with Cluemaster who was trying to shoot her with a shotgun.

But what of Cassandra's strength? Just how strong is she really?

#19 where Cass is faced with the obstacle of three-inch quartz preventing her from escaping a gas chamber. So let's examine just how thick three-inch quartz is.

Well, let's google just that.

A SEVEN on the hardness scale. Further research says that it can only crack due to "extreme impacts" which wouldn't ya know:

As for her body itself, Batgirl/Ghost: The Ressurection Machine #3 suggests this about Cass being immune to A LOT of poisons:

Something Batgirl Vol. 1 "sort of" delves in #50 when both she and Bruce are doused with a new batch of super drug but it turns out they were both immune to it due to them being built differently than normal humans.

This is all the more surprising because a few issues prior to (#46) Cass is doused with a version of it, but you could say given what she "sees" Cass is under A LOT of stress (the building tension with Bruce, Babs breaking up with Dick, Superboy/Black Wind stuff). Plus she does "sort of" snap out of it to beat the bad guys in that issue.

Just like in #51 she avoids the pheromones to Poison Ivy even though she is showing signs of falling under the hormones but snaps out of it due to willpower (something Bruce was almost succumbing to before he fully snapped out of it too).

It really feels like "this anti-poison" ability Cass had was all but forgotten once the series ended. Of course, naturally with a certain "infamous" story ONE YEAR LATER, but also Batman & Robin Eternal as she is affected by Fear Toxin (among other stuff too).

#9 & #59 showcase that David Cain shot Cass regularly so much that she can not even feel it. This could explain also HOW she was eventually able to dodge bullets and become so fast.

#22 also showcases this as well so this is not something simply just randomly put in. This was something the writers wanted to show the sickening lengths David Cain put Cass through.

Again, #14 brought up Cass's metabolism and how off the charts it was. I think something we just overlooked is that in #26 Cass slept for 20 hours a day for four days (or perhaps longer) straight until she fully recovered from fighting Lady Shiva.

That's not even going under the amount of food she consumes. This little detail was first showcased in #39 when Cass ate like she was freaking Goku.

This little bit of detail was brought back in #66 when she ordered THREE burgers (I'm assuming with everything on it) with three sides of fries and a BIG milk.

Amusingly, this detail was recently brought back in Nightwing #106 & #108 where she FEASTED on who knows how many pancakes.

Lastly, I feel this bit is worth mentioning as well from #47 with Doctor Lewis Friedman who started the theory on body language that David Cain made a frightening reality with Cass (shame he was never brought up again after this issue).

All this isn't even counting on the extremely LONG hours of shower time Cass picked up in the Gabrych run that even Willingham's Robin (which went on during this) teased (something again Batgirls kept up on).

So there you have it. The utter anomaly that is the body of one Cassandra Cain.

[suzieloveships]

Jegulus Batman au

So last week I wrote post about how Bruce and Harley are Regulus and Pandora variants and now I can't stop thinking about Jegulus Batman au

Regulus as Bruce Wayne, but more like Battinson!Bruce instead of comics!Bruce. In the day time he is Regulus Black, awkward rich orphan who looks like he wants to kill himself everytime he steps outside. By night time he becomes Batman, a mask vigilante, who fights criminals of Godric's Hollow, the most corrupt city in all of England. It's his way to repay for his parents' sin, part of Hollow's corruption. His only help is a family butler, Kreacher, who really wishes Regulus finished the med school instead of running around in bat suit

James as the Cat, a professional thief with a heart of gold whom Regulus keep failing to catch. He won't admit it but there were few times when he let James escape. Mostly because James often steal from people that deserve it but also because he loves the thrill of a chase. Overtime the two of them start working together on few cases and slowly fall in love

Pandora as Harley Quinn, once a young psychologist turn a henchwoman of Regulus's biggest villain, Tom Riddle, turn an anti-hero who help Regulus, James and their allies fight evil. Her biggest strength is psychoanalyzing her enemy and getting inside their heads. She and Reg went to med school together before he dropped out, years later while working together she conected the dots and realised that this grumpy bat and that grumpy boy from med school are the same person. Arguably Reg best friend

Lily as Poison Ivy, an ecoterrorist with a power to control plants and Pandora girlfriend. Regulus often lets her and Pandora escape as they most attack factories that pollute the environment

Sirius is both Dick, Jason and Kate. Regulus older brother that after a death of their parents abdicated from a role of a Black family heir and started a life for himself outside of Hollow. He came back to Hollow after seeing Batman on the news an immediately recognising his little brother. Was killed by Tom Riddle, but resurrected but whoever is Al Ghul in this au, I haven't decided yet. He return to Hollow as Red Hood, mad at Reg for "replacing" him and not killind Riddle. It took a while but eventually they startes working together again because at the end of the day they are family

Emmeline as Red Robin, Sirius "replacement", a smart girl that figured out Regulus secret identity and girlbossed her way into becoming his new sidekick (not my joke)

Remus as both Barbara and Renee, the only good cop in an all of Hollow. Later he ends up resigning from the force and starts working for Regulus but hacking into city cameras and becoming his eyes and ears

Mary as Spoiler, daughter of a minor villain name Cluemaster. He was a terrible father so Mary decided to help Batman take him down. Now a member of the batfamily, Emmeline's girlfriend and Regulus's biggest bully (affectionately)

Barty as the Riddler, arguably the smartest man in all of Hollow who loves creating chaos and asking people riddles. Luckly for Regulus Barty is also an attention whore that needs everyone to know that he is the smartest person in the room so he often leaves clues for Regulus to follow

Evan as Penguin, the biggest kingpin, started out as a son of a poor housemaid and climp his way into becoming the most powerful mobster in all of Hollow. For some reason Barty is the only person he really trust in this world (he has a massive crush on him)

Dorcas as Scarecrow, a scientist fascinated by fear and the only person in the world with enough brain power to keep up with both Pandora and Barty

Marlene as Firefly, purely because I think Marlene deserves a flamethrower

Peter as Two-face, Reg's best friend turn enemy with half of his face burned

And Narcissa and Alice as Green Arrow and Black Canary

Harry as Helena and Luna as Lucy

Also Xeno as Rick Flag because I love both of them so much <3

[franollie]

Random but i've noticed a lack of anti J*ysteph posts when i looked for them and iydm i want your opinions on why you hate it too /nf

of course! a lot of my issues with it come from it being almost entirely comes from fanon and a lot of inaccuracies in terms of characterization especially on steph’s behalf.

my biggest gripe is that it just doesn’t make sense? the characters that steph is closest to are tim and cass. both of whom would HATE jason so why on earth would steph like him? especially considering jason would have attacked tim at titans tower. like im sorry but steph would hold a grudge against that man for forever

also, every one likes to bring up the so called “parallels” that steph and jason would bond over so lets break them down:

1. They can bond because they both died

This argument pisses me off the most because while jason’s death was memorialized and haunting steph’s was an attempt to get rid of her. and then you also have to address the fact that steph’s death got retconned so…no they can’t bond over dying…because technically steph never died. that being said, she was believed to be dead. so she would be exposed to the difference between how bruce treated her “death” vs how he treated jasons and just from that i think she’d dislike jason

2. they’re both “angry” robins

look im too tired to get into the problem with simplifying a character to one trait or facet of their personality so can we just agree that this one is bullshit? yeah? perfect!

3. grew up in similar homes

nope! jason (from what i’ve read) actually did grow up poor! his father was forced to get involved in crime to provide for his family. we know his home life was rough.

steph didn’t really grow up poor. she by no means grew up rich or even middle class but she lived in the suburbs. she lived semi-comfortably. her father became cluemaster for selfish and bitter reasons, and at the time of steph becoming spoiler, crystal would have been a drug addict (this is not a safe space for crystal brown slander btw). so yeah her childhood home was by no means a happy place either but it is significantly different from jason’s

all in all it just pisses me off when people change aspects of steph’s character and story just so that they can make up things for her to bond with their favorite batboy over, and i hate when people take parts of steph’s story and give them to jason instead of just interacting with steph even more.

[localebra]

DC Kitten

Thank you to @maxivermismind reminding me of Kitten. The daughter of Killer Moth and girlfriend of the Fang. The spoiled brat has first appeared in the Teen Titans episode Date with Destiny. In which Fang had dumped her with her junior prom is tomorrow. She bullies her father into adding the condition that Robin must go with her to the prom to his scheme blackmail the city with his swarm of mutated moths. Kitten dosent have any interest in Robin in the beginning and is only doing this to make Fang jealous. This works making Fang attack Robin, at the same time a jealous Starfire attacks Kitten for forcing Robin into this role. Fang, Kitten and her father are all arrested, while swearing vengeance on Robin.

Next appearing in Revved Up alongside Fang as a part of the super-villain entourage racing Ding Dong Daddy for Robin's personal secret. She drives a pink Limousines like what would be driven to prom and it is cut in half by Red X.

Her last on screen appearances was as a members of the Brotherhood of Evil, her and Killer Moth ambush Starfire who came to rescue Argent. Stealing Starfire's communicator to say hi to Robin who was surprised, she was pleased to see him and taunted him before attacking Starfire. Using a swarm of her father's mutant moths and an electric whip. She was not defeated along side the Brotherhood Of Evil.

Next appearing in the pages of Teen Titans Go! #15 in Pop Quiz Kitten looked for all purposes like she was kidnapped by Kwiz Kid. When in reality Kwiz Kid was her new boyfriend, who she was just using to get rescue by Robin. Turns out Kwiz Kid was just using her to lure the Titans in to his trap, being more interested in matching wits with Robin. Offended Kitten dumps him and trys to slap him, discovering he had escaped leaving a hologram in his place. Later Killer Moth takes Kitten back home, scolding her for not telling him the truth about her fake kidnapping by Kwiz Kid.

 Next Appearing in Teen Titans Go! #41 Bad Girls were Kitten dresses up as multiple of the Teen Titans villains while claiming to be their daughters: Pink X (Red X), Marionette (The Puppet King), Mad Maud (Mad Mod), Daughter Blood (Brother Blood), and Joy Stick (Control Freak). All the newspaper clip on a panel shows Gemini (Madame Rouge), and Madamoiselle Mallah (Monsieur Mallah) and her in a Slade-like outfit, resembling Ravager. It is revealed that her plan was all a way to get her father's attention. He does spoiling her, but rarely actually spent time with her, the Titans help sort the matter out and Killer Moth promises to cut back on super villainy in order to spend more time with his daughter.

Lastly in Teen Titans Go! #44, Kitten calls the Titans asking them to come save her father from Red Raven.

For general thoughts to me she is the antithesis to Stephanie Brown, the daughter of a villain who does not care who gets hurt. They're both blonde, headstrong, dated a Robin and have fathers but barely counters supervillains. Her theme was originally based around prom, as a super villain theme that is pretty weak. Psychologically though I believe it's spot-on, it's what every normal girl thinks about in any time any negative consequences from her father's supervillain actions come in to her life they are treated like a father being embarrassing. I believe she wants all of the benefits but none of the downsides of having a super villain father.

Her popular girl attitude has also got me thinking of who she would be connected to. We've seen her boyfriends Fang & Kwiz Kid, one being super powered with a similar theme to her fathers and the other being a mirror of Robin. Kwiz Kid could even shrimp in by Stephanie Brown connection with her father cluemaster and him sharing Riddlers theme. I believe she would be an anti-side kick. Not a Spoiler, more of a spoiled brat who would complain the whole time if she had to lift boxes let alone help with a heist. The only other thing of note is with her supervillain connections I believe could be used as the head of a group of supervillains children. High profile criminals children like jokers' daughter will always go to jail, but no one will ever think to check Killer Moth's daughter. She would be the head of a group of low level supervillains spawns whose parents are successful enough they can get whatever they want, but not famous enough to bring the hammer down on the entire family. This can show what life could have been like for Stephanie if she didn't become Spoiler.

[saintwalker99]

Earth-8: Fall of the Red Hood For 5 years, ever since the crisis, Red Hood has been the law in Gotham City and his law is this: Let the Punishment Fit The Crime. Under his reign violent anti-heroes and murderous vigilantes have flourished while heroes who fight for honor & dignity have struggled, the two-sides playing live & let live.

Then he killed the Cluemaster, now it's War.

Stephanie Brown has mustered the heroes of Gotham to bring an end to the red fever reign of the Red Hood, no matter the cost. Let the Punishment Fit the Crime.

[batcassed]

i love your reverse batgirl au!! do you mind writing more about them?

Okay so after going through the post I realized I wrote it at 2 am, so I'm going to simply rewrite it and then add more if that's okay <3

AU where Bruce adopts Barbara, Steph, Cass and Harper instead of the batboys - Batdaughters: Origins

Would like to start by saying: Damian never exists; Bruce doesn’t sleep with Talia because he's aroace in this universe no I don't make the rules he just is

Barbara Gordon is adopted by Jim Gordon after his brother and his sister in law, Barbara’s parents, die (as per canon.) When she’s six, he's killed by the Joker, who forces Barbara to watch. Bruce is too late to save Gordon and puts the blame for his death on himself, so he tries to atone by giving Barbara a home. Raising a daughter keeps him busy so he doesn’t visit Haley’s circus when it visits Gotham. Dick’s parents fall to the floor, and instead of Bruce, the Court of Owls take him in.

When Babs is 16, Bruce adopts Stephanie Brown. Steph’s father is Cluemaster but he’s put in Arkham early in her childhood. Stephanie’s mother is unable to overcome her addiction to pharmaceuticals (unlike in canon where she does overcome this) and this ends in her death. 11 year old Stephanie runs away from her social worker and ends up finding the batmobile in an alley. She hides under the car and her social worker passes by, but when Batman arrives she jumps out to avoid getting run over. He tries to take her back to foster care but she throws a brick at him and runs. Bruce decides to adopt her once he finds out her father is cluemaster, and when he takes her for waffles she agrees to ‘let him’ adopt her.

Harper Row is taken away from her alcoholic father when she’s 9 and is the only kid to actually end up with Bruce in a normal way. He’s officially a foster parent and she’s placed with him through the system. She tells Bruce that she has a brother, Cullen, who she hasn’t seen since being taken away from her father but Bruce is unable to figure out where he’d gone. Cullen was never registered in the foster care database and none of the workers that picked up Harper recalled there being another child.

When the Justice League encounters Lady Shiva a year later, she fights them and defeats Batman, but the combined forces of Wonder Woman and Superman force her capture and she’s questioned under the lasso. She tells them about her origin and that a man named David Cain had her biological daughter and was training her to be an assassin. Batman realizes that the daughter in question is still only 8, and adds her and David to his search for Cullen. He finds her being trained by David to be a ruthless killer and rescues her. He realizes that she’s mute and deadly and can’t grow up in a regular foster system so he takes her home with him.

Babs becomes Batgirl at 14, but is paralyzed at 17, a year after Steph joins the family. Then she takes the moniker oracle.

When Steph is older she doesn’t feel right taking on the batgirl name, so she becomes Robin. Steph and Bruce have a falling out when Bruce calls her reckless in the field and benches her so she distances herself from him and becomes Spoiler. She meets a kid named Tim in university who was emancipated from his parents when he was 16 and discovers that since he was a kid, he’s tried to follow batman and robin’s footsteps by fighting crime at night in a red domino and black clothes. Steph reveals that she was the Robin that Tim used to watch at night and takes him on as her partner, eventually training him to be a third Robin, one who was never trained by Batman: Red Robin.

At the same time, Harper spends years trying to find her brother, Cullen. She fights crime to find her brother without telling Bruce at first, taking on the codename Bluebird. When he finds out, Bruce takes her on as his partner, not his sidekick, which drives a wedge between her and Steph.

Cass had decided to live a normal life after having the choice taken away from her when she was young, but an attack on her school causes her to fight off a bunch of the rogue gallery to the point of near-death. She holds them off long enough for her school to evacuate and run. After she survives this, Barbara reaches out to her and tells her that if she ever wants it, the mantle of batgirl is there for her. Cass refuses it at first but takes it when she turns 15, deciding to train again, but this time to defend Gotham, and not kill. She becomes batgirl at 16.

Steph and Tim both join young justice and Babs was a part of the Teen Titans before being paralyzed.

When Bruce ‘dies’ for half a year, Cass gives the mantle of Batgirl to Steph and moves to Hong Kong to become Black Bat.

Harper moves in with Steph and befriends Tim, who believes that Bruce is alive. Nobody takes the mantle of Batman after Bruce’s ‘death.’

After he is rescued by Tim and Steph, Bruce returns to Gotham. Cass returns to be Black Bat and Steph goes back to being Spoiler, and Bruce and Steph finally reconcile.

They find out that Cullen was taken by the Court of Owls and turned into a Talon, and when they try to rescue him, they discover that a second Talon had taken a liking to him and was protecting him from the batfamily, seeing them as enemies.

So of course they take both Talons home. Bruce discovers that the second Talon is Dick Grayson and with Martian Manhunter’s help, they help them learn how to be human again.

Dick takes Cullen to live by themselves in a quiet area of Gotham, and Bruce leaves them be, knowing that they deserve to lead normal lives without continuing to be entangled in the batfamily. Only Harper visits.

At the same time, a new crime lord pops up, claiming to go by the red hood. Bruce fears another Joker situation and finds Red Hood to interrogate him and finds out that his name is Jason Todd. Jason, forced to work as a goon for two-face to earn money to support his mother, was a hostage of the Joker and beaten almost to death before Batman saved him, but he was too late to save Jason's mother. (we're ignoring the biological mother plot point here.) He wants to drive Batman to finally break his code and kill so that he’ll kill the Joker. After a fight between them that almost ends in Jason dying, Batman backs off and doesn’t turn him into the police. The Red Hood kills the Joker, but realizes that it didn't change anything. He almost turns the gun on himself but Bruce stops him. Bruce promises to leave him alone, acknowledging that Crime Alley is his territory, as long as he gives them information on a major trafficking ring in Gotham. Jason agrees and together they take the ring down.

After the Red Hood saves Cass from the collapse of a building, he and Cass strike up a tentative friendship. He becomes an anti-hero after sending the criminal underground into a civil war, ensuring the destruction of some of the larger crime families in Gotham. Then he becomes an ally of the batfamily, but still kills.

Duke's story is similar to canon except his parents are cured from the Joker Virus. He still joins the batfamily as the signal, and eventually joins the Outsiders team with Cass.

Send me asks if you want me to go into more detail with a part of this au!

[incorrectbatfam]

hi! i’m really new to the dc universe and all the comics and characters.. i saw you wrote some descriptions on some of them, but was wondering if you could like dumb down like all of the (main) ones? thank you!

Original posts with Carrie Kelley, Cassandra Cain, Harper Row, and Duke Thomas

I’m just gonna cover the Batfamily since…it’s kind of what I do. As usual, we ignore the Bad Canon™

First we got the big bad Bats himself, Wayne Enterprises CEO Bruce Wayne. His grimdark nature is largely fueled by his parents’ deaths when he was eight (they got shot in an alley while he survived). He made it his mission to protect Gotham City from crime, and in doing so acquired a bunch of people in what we know at the Batfamily. Besides that, he’s also part of the original Justice League and he’s got like ninety years of canon to pick and choose from

Next we have Dick Grayson, oldest of the batkids. He was raised in Haly’s Circus and performed trapeze acts with his parents, John and Mary Grayson. While in Gotham, a crime boss tampered with their ropes and John and Mary fell to their deaths. Bruce took him in and trained him to be the first Robin. After a while they drifted apart and Dick rebranded himself as Nightwing and became leader of the OG Teen Titans. He also became a cop, Agent 37, and a Talon and maybe a few other things but for the most part he’s remembered as Nightwing

Jason Todd is the second Robin (and the last one without pants). He grew up in Gotham’s Crime Alley to a POS father and addict mother and was adopted by Bruce after trying to steal the tires off the Batmobile. He was killed by the Joker in his teens, only to be resurrected by the League of Assassins via the Lazarus Pit. After that, he became the crime boss and gunslinging anti-hero Red Hood because he believed his methods were better than Batman’s no-kill one. He also formed the Outlaws with old Titans members such as Starfire and Arsenal

Our third bat child is Tim Drake, AKA Red Robin, son of Gotham elite Jack and Janet Drake. Tim was a genius kid (and a bit stalkerish) from the start, able to deduce Batman and others’ identities and figuring out that the late Jason Todd was Robin. He demanded to be Robin, saying that Batman needed a partner. He was part of the Titans but is more known for his Young Justice team. Later Tim rebrands as Red Robin because Dick (as Batman) gave the Robin title to the little demon that’s coming up later

Next we got Stephanie Brown, daughter of a POS mother and the villain Cluemaster. She’s most notably known as Spoiler, the name coming from spoiling her own father’s evil schemes. She becomes Batman’s fourth Robin (don’t care what dudebros say) but dies after a couple weeks on the field. After some timeline alterations or whatever, she comes back to life. I’m not sure where her Batgirl storyline fits in that chronology but…yeah. Again, mainly known as Spoiler and often fights alongside Tim

Our fifth and youngest Robin (still goes by that) is Damian Wayne, a test tube baby of Bruce Wayne and Talia Al Ghul, raised by the League of Assassin to be a living weapon and heir to Ra’s Al Ghul’s legacy. Talia dropped him off with Bruce and he trained under both his father and Dick Grayson as Robin. He was killed by Talia’s clone but brought back to life by Bruce on Apokolips. Damian also secured a spot as a Teen Titans leader and is most well-known for being one of the two Super Sons alongside Jon Kent

Barbara Gordon, AKA Batgirl and Oracle, is the daughter of GCPD police chief Jim Gordon. She went behind his back and trained herself to be a vigilante, donning the Bat symbol as Batgirl and fighting crime alongside the Bats. She’s paralyzed waist-down after getting shot by the Joker and is now wheelchair bound (we ignore the ableist canon that undoes that). She’s now a computer whiz who provides intel to her teammates under the codename Oracle

Katherine “Kate” Kane is another wealthy Gothamite who was inspired by Batman to join the fight against crime. Her mother and sister were killed by terrorists so she was raised by her single father. She was a cadet at West Point and was an ace student until her final year, where she had to come out as a lesbian and expelled under Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell. She went through a period of  self-medication and even ended up on a desert island before returning to Gotham and channeling her energy into the Batwoman we know today

Alfred Pennyworth (formerly Alfred Beagle) is the badass surrogate father/grandfather to this entire crew. A retired British intelligence agent, he followed his father’s footsteps of serving the Wayne family. Alfred raised Bruce following Thomas and Martha Wayne’s deaths and plays a major role in assisting the Batfamily in her hero business from within the Batcave. He also has a long lost daughter, another secret agent named Julia Pennyworth.

[korra-the-red-lion]

Batwoman s2: thoughts.

Y’all, your homegirl finally managed to finish Batwoman. It was little dicey for a bit there, but me and my friend managed to pull through and actually finish the s2 this week.

Overall impressions? This season was pretty great. Considering they had to essentially rework the whole season and introduce us to a brand new Batwoman thanks to Ruby Rose’s sudden and unplanned departure, the cast and crew had to scramble to make things work. The Blackmask storyline was really good. The Kate Kane mystery was pretty well done. A standout episode was the Cluemaster episode.

Ryan Wilder, homegirl, I’m so so sorry. I judged your casting call description so badly. So badly that I nearly considered not watching it. I’m glad I ignored myself stupid self and gave this season a chance, because you did not disappoint. Javicia played Ryan to perfection, and I fell in love with her character much faster than I did Kate’s. They really managed to make a layered and complex hero out of a OG character that fit into the Batwoman lore nicely. I’m looking forward to see how they handle her journey in s3.

Luke’s character arc was really well done this season. Understandably, he was reluctant to hand over the suit to Ryan, because he didn’t want to admit that his best friend was gone. The last few episodes of the season when he got shot and then chose to put on the Batwing suit? Love it, love it, love it.

Mary was awesome this season! She really stepped up to the plate to help both Ryan and Luke work through some things, plus butting heads with Jacob on doing the right thing for the city really beefed up her character. Also, Mary and Alice are hilarious together and I can’t wait to see how s3 pairs them against one another. Fingers crossed for a Mary and Luke relationship too, I need my beans to get together.

Alice, sweetie, yes. The Safiyah storyline may not have been the best, but Rachel killed it with Alice’s conflicting emotional journey. I literally cried when Alice was taken away by the GCPD after she helped save Kate. All Alice wants is her sister to love her, because she is a broken and scared little girl trapped in the body of an adult. I have a feeling they’re gonna go anti-hero for her next season, but we’ll see.

F*ck you Jacob Kane, I never liked you. I liked Dougray Scott, but hated Jacob so much, so I’m not sad to see him not returning.

I’m curious to see what Sophie’s story leads next season. She really underwent some changes this season and they were all for the better. I cheered when she left the Crows. I wonder if now that Kate is gone they’ll do a Wildmoore romance next season? I kinda hope so. Will Sophie take for Luke in the Batcave or will she be an outdoor team member? I would love to see her on the field a la John Diggle in the early seasons of Arrow.

While I am disappointed in the choice to remove Kate from the show entirely, that won’t stop me from enjoying next season. I personally would include Kate in the show, just not have her as Batwoman this season, give her time to recover from her recent traumatic ordeal. OH WELL.

I’d say this season was a solid 8.5/10. The Safiyah storyline ended weakly. I found Angelique to be an annoying driving force for Ryan even though she was garbage. I loved Alice’s story, I like that the Crows were disbanded, I loved Ryan. Blackmask was a great villain. I think the season could have used one more episode personally, just because there was a lot going on in that last episode. See you next time!

[jasontoddiefor]

Since I’m probably never gonna write it, take my self indulgent Age Swap Batman AU as in:

Bruce Wayne, 12, becomes the side kick to all of Gotham’s not yet unionized vigilantes.

It starts something like this: Gotham has many vigilantes, but all of them are useless because none of them are heroes and Bruce’s parents still died

And Gotham’s vigilantes aren’t organized, not really. They each stick to their part of the city, their particular kind of crime and they don’t communicate unless the Joker threatens to blow up Gotham again (and even then it’s a coin toss)

So Bruce decides he’ll become the hero. He makes himself a costume and sneaks out of the manor at night

Robin is the first one he runs into.

Dick Grayson clawed his way out of hell. He killed many, too many (first for the Court, then the Court) and being Robin is his way of repentance. He definitely doesn’t want a child out on the streets, but he doesn’t trust the other vigilantes

The Red Hood is more an anti-hero, really. Jason Todd survived, got the wrong (or the right) kind of attention and when Black Mask wasn’t looking, he snapped his neck and built up an empire. He kills, he hires kids and keeps them in school and off the streets. But when Bruce can’t be convinced to stay home and stay safe - well, people start talking. The Red Hood is kinder now. He starts using knives again instead of guns when he’s running with the small shadow

Barbara Gordon works for the police. She runs their database and she’s the one who tells Alfred what his charge is up to. She’s also the only Gotham vigilante who works with the Justice League because they have a code Oracle knows and feet she can rely on to walk when she can’t.

Tim Drake doesn’t put on tights, but the Drakes were long standing friends of the Waynes (he babysitted toddler Bruce in his teens!) and when WE starts doing shady business, he quickly inserts himself. And maybe he’s also the one who starts making weapons and armor for Gotham’s vigilantes.

Stephanie Brown starts when Cluemaster got out of control, but she didn’t stop when he did. Steph is full of rage, she has a temper and she teaches the little black bat how to use this anger.

Duke Thomas is not a vigilante per choice so much as a defense. His parents died to protect him from a mad man and to keep him a secret. So he does the same. There are more metas in Gotham than most people know. Duke keeps them safe and a secret.

Cassandra Cain and Damian al Ghul are a package deal. Damian has always had a soft spot for strays and Cassandra had wanted a home and a brother was a good bonus. She’s also the only one who didn’t hesitate when Bruce (15 then, calling most of the others “Uncle” or “Aunt” already, having created a family) comes asking for training. She has met him once already, after all, when he was a baby.

Damian al Ghul is the last to make himself at home in Gotham. He arrives without his family’s fighters, angry and full of rage because he gave his son away to his half-brother so he’d be safe. And he nearly died because of these vigilantes’ reckless. So he wants to take Bruce away.

And Bruce really isn’t on board with that. Gotham is his home and some random guy (“He’s the second in command of the League of Assassins.” “Yeah, I really don’t care, Uncle Tim.”) can’t change that.

Other relevant stuff is that Dick, Alfred and Damian get into a more subtle (in Alfred’s case) and more extravagant “I’m Bruce’s father” battle

Duke wins by being the cool fun uncle with neat powers

Jason has a freak out the first time he patrols with Bruce because “oh gosh I can’t take out a gun in front of a traumatized kid”

Steph, Tim and Babs are the first three to actually really work together not just for Bruce’s sake but because they’re better together

Dick and Jason take the longest because Dick has a very strict “no-kill” rule and Jason doesn’t

They create a Bat-Cave as a safe place supervised space for Bruce to train in but after a while everyone starts hanging out there

They do holidays at the manor

Jason picks Bruce up at school once with his bike because other kids bully him. They don’t after this.

Bruce and Cass dance together a lot! He didn’t have his growth spurt yet when they meet so they’re about the same height

[batfam-adventures]

(Commentary and thoughts on the problem with certain anti tags and frankly anti tags in general, be warned)

I'm going to be honest, there is nothing that infuriates me more than those who attack a ship, or a character as abusive for the reason of banter, poor writing verging on character assassination or astonishing reasons as one character being created to be a beard for the other.

To give an example, the TimSteph ship has attracted a lot of hate recently because apparently one of the two is abusive towards the other (mostly Steph).

Now, I'm not against preferring another ship to that one, such as StephCass or TimKon, or feeling that Steph has basically had a lot of her agency taken away recently, reducing her to just Tim's girlfriend and that causing people to distance themselves from the relationship, those are all fair enough reasons to not really like the ship. Even feeling like there is no chemistry is a reason, that I disagree with, but can respect.

What I can't respect are some of the reasons given for hating the ship.

To give an example, one tumblr outright stated that part of the reason (though not all of it) they hated Steph was because she was created by a homophobe (Chuck Dixon who IS conservative at the very least) to serve as beard for Tim.

Ignoring for a second that Tim is explicity sexually attracted to women (though considering the run that made that clearest was FabNic's version of Red Robin, I can understand not knowing about it), Steph was originally created to be a one-off character, it was fan popularity that caused her to return AND become a love interest for Tim. Even ignoring that, Tim was dating another girl named Arriana, which didn't work out for various reasons, the least of which was his constant absences to perform his duties as Robin.

Speaking of FabNic, it was his run as writer for Robin that is most often brought up when giving reasons to hate Steph and call her abusive. A run that was basically a rush job, when Dixon left DC again for unrelated reasons, where FabNic proceeded to write Steph hire Scarab of all people to fight Tim non-lethally after promising Batman to make him better. I'm going to be honest, I hated the idea of this to begin with, but someone pointed out how stupidly out of character Steph hiring Scarab was given that A) she would definitely not have the contacts to pull it off, and B) Scarab was the entire reason Steph got fired as Robin, resulting in a lot of trauma for her and I have to agree.

Combined with Steph being portrayed as unusually incompetent and her motivations being glossed over and it really reads like either A) FabNic had a vendetta against her character, meaning her character was hurt again almost immediately after being finally getting a break and having her incredibly spiteful death retconned or B) he was in such a rush due to being brought in to write the final arc of Robin in a hurry when Dixon left, that he didn't think his ideas through, and just wanted to get rid of Tim's supporting cast quickly and finish things up for the next writer to have a clean slate, causing him to write that mess of an arc.

To anyone unfamiliar with FabNic's work, the exact same thing happened in Red Robin when the Nu52 was about to happen, so he ended up butchering an entire arc he had planned, Tim's character suffering from an abrupt shift in coldness again when he was getting better and left the series on a frankly unsatisfying cliffhanger. So, I can completely see that as being what happened.

Now as for those who say that Steph's banter with Tim is cruel and abusive. This is something he canonically said very shortly before their relationship started.

So Tim definitely gave as good as he got.

Though this is nothing to what he once said to his first girlfriend, Arianna.

Not that I believe for a second Tim is actually sexist, but his banter can be unusually and unintentionally aggressive at times.

Now I'm not going to say a word about most of Yost's Red Robin run, but what helps is that Tim is not being portrayed as being in the right with many of his actions and gets called out as such, plus he was written pretty clearly to be in a mentally bad place.

Otherwise I and probably a lot of Tim's fans, hate the Batman jr. Character arc every writer (but Dixon ironically) seemed to have fixated on him having, making him become positively humourless for quite a while (especially in Teen Titans, but to be honest there are many fans of the YJ team who hated that run.) Which basically started with Steph and his dad's deaths by the way.

I'm not going to deny Tim and Steph had their fair share of drama before War Games, most notably the power imbalance caused by Tim knowing Steph's name, but being unable (yes, unable) to give her his. Tim had a reason for not telling Steph, Bruce making him promise not to, and he kept that promise even with the YJ team, and even made it clear that Steph couldn't know if they entered a relationship. That's all fair enough, even if Tim had a nasty habit of reminding Steph he knew her name while they were out in the open, putting her identity at risk and knew she hated it.

The stalking was caused when Tim implied he personally knew a girl they rescued, causing Steph to realise just how unbalanced their relationship was, since Tim could be cheating on her without her knowing due to the double life (and had in fact done so to his previous girlfriend Arianna, with Steph).

Which lets be honest, is also completely understandable as their relationship couldn't work long-term without it being equal knowledgewise.

Think about it, you're in a relationship with someone who refuses to tell you his real name, you may be able to recognise him without his mask on, but have no idea he goes to the same school as you since he makes sure to avoid you while simultaneously keeping an eye on you.

Tim himself realised this, since when Batman leaked his secret without his permission, he eventually made it clear he didn't blame Steph and that he should have been open with her when it began to trouble her.

As for Steph coming on to him when he had a girlfriend and wasn't interested, well this is what caused her to crush on him...

He had just been traumatised by being trapped underground with Cluemaster (brrr.) So kissing her in relief when he had a girlfriend was understandable, but it's also understandable that Steph thought he was interested in her especially since he never mentioned a girlfriend.

Amd Tim clearly cared for her in some way regardless judging from this page when Steph was kidnapped a few issues later.

As for Steph only being in love with Robin... the problem is that Steph made it clear once that she didn't care if Tim quit and she'd love him all the same.

So, no, I don't think Tim and Steph was an abusive ship, it might not be your cup of tea, but it's certainly not abusive, especially when written by a writer who isn't being rushed or got a lot on his plate.

As a side-note, it's worth noting that due to how the Tumblr Search Engine works, people not looking for Anti Tags, and instead quite the opposite, still end up finding them on occassion, so yes, they have a right to be annoyed and complain in private conversations.

I'm sorry if this devolved into a rant, but many anti threads have a nasty habit of focusing only on the bad, even when that bad isn't consistent characterisation. Whether we like the Character or not, we need to remember that having so many writers means that the Character will be screwed up occasionally. How many times has Batman learn not to be a jerk only to return to be a jerk almost immediately? How many times has Green Arrow gotten his act together only for another writer to have him return to cheating on Black Canary again?

We have to concede that any character can be screwed up by the wrong writer and we shouldn't hold that against them, especially when the stuff we don't like doesn't consistently happen.

[spoilingrobin]

this is a wip because my entire life is a wip.

trigger warnings list: death, murder, torture mentions, medical stuff, mentions of substance abuse, mentions of child neglect, brief mentions of abuse (i skimmed over it because TBH i don’t like it ): ), teenage pregnancy. just…everything. EVERYTHING.

this is super long but i have a lot of feelings about my stephanie 

**************************************************** overview of history.

*stephanie brown was born in gotham to crystal and arthur brown. her father, arthur, was more commonly known as the cluemaster around gotham and was in and out of prison for stephanie’s entire childhood.

*arthur was absent at best, outright neglectful and abusive at his worst. she was glad for the times he was in prison for a break from having him around.

*stephanie more or less raised herself. crystal was a good mom, loved the hell out of her kid, but had her own demons to face. stephanie learned how to cook pasta and survived off a lot of boxed meals, learned how to pay the bills, learned how to make sure her mother’s prescriptions never ran out because then things got worse.

*when she was 13, her father got out of prison and swore he was done with being a criminal and that he would be there for his family. this didn’t last long, and the cluemaster continued to reign. this was when stephanie had decided she’d had enough and took on the title the spoiler (because she meant to spoil her father’s plans).

*she caught the attention of both batman and robin (tim drake) as she hit the streets of gotham, and she quickly learned she liked crime-fighting and takes down other criminals as she tries to take down her father. she soon started doing some patrols with robin as a result. she began to train with robin (before she knew his identity), and soon after batman.

*upon finally catching her father, stephanie fully intended on killing him. she wanted to be done with arthur brown and the cluemaster, forever. however, batman convinced stephanie to let him be arrested by authorities.

*steph continued to be the spoiler and to train with robin and batman, finding she loved the adrenaline and the thrill as well as the idea of cleaning up the streets.

she was forced to take a break from the crimefighting gig at the age of fifteen when she discovered she was pregnant. she gave the baby up for adoption, refusing to even look at her after birth. she named her grace, even if she never saw her. as soon as she had healed up, she was back on the streets, crimefighting with perhaps even more vigor than she had before.

*stephanie began to train with batman exclusively, as well as the birds of prey. however, it was quickly decided by the caped crusader that stephanie was too unpredictable and that she might not be cut out for the vigilante life, and so the training ended.

*stephanie refused to let this deter her, and continued the vigilante act as the spoiler. her main mission became hunting down old affiliates of her father, who she found out had died on a mission with the suicide squad. this vigilante rampage went against all of the rules outlined by batman, especially the golden rule of taking your victims alive.

*tim drake was forced to give up being robin, and stephanie insisted on taking his place. she was nearly seventeen at the time she the became the first female robin, the girl wonder.

*she trained hard and long with bruce, though her impulsivity and morals hadn’t changed. stephanie was fired in the field for being a brat  insubordination, and her days as robin ended as quickly as they started. she was the girl wonder for about a year, from beginning to end.

*her determination to prove herself to batman was a fire in her belly she couldn’t extinguish, paired with a need to prove to herself that she was worthy. she stole some of batman’s long-term plans to eliminate the criminal underworld in gotham, and found herself in deeper water than she could imagine trying to execute them. she was kidnapped by the black mask, and tortured to the brink of death as she refused to give up information on batman. she escaped, though died in the hospital shortly after.

*leslie thompkins claimed she could have saved her, though chose not to. she explained that her reasoning was to deter others from becoming vigilantes, and to prove a point to batman that he should stop involving children in his crime fighting spree.

*except stephanie didn’t really die. she did medically, though was brought back by doctor thompkins herself and smuggled to africa with a new identity. leslie wanted to give stephanie another chance at life, a chance to start over without being the spoiler or robin or affiliated with batman. leslie slowly nursed the girl back to health from her extensive injuries, and had stephanie help with refuge work in africa.

*a run in with a witch-hunting tribe in africa was enough to re-ignite the spark for crime fighting in stephanie, and she decided to leave africa (with much objection from leslie).stephanie reunited with the batfamily after several months of laying low, though continued to work as the spoiler rather than being officially affiliated with the bat. dceased. after the message got out from bruce about the anti-living equation, stephaie had gone to wayne manor in an attempt to find her family and get more answers. stephanie shortly after found jason in the batcave, along with the body of dick grayson. stephanie will not speak of this day, and is still processing her grief. stephanie has been in the green since the anti-living equation took effect, deciding that she’d sooner stick to the devil she knew rather than the devil she didn’t.  stephanie has stuck with jason and the other batfamily members that survived and stuck to earth rather than leaving for earth-2. it’s the goddamn apocalypse, and who better to help keep one another safe than those she already trusted with her life. stephanie still misses the rest of her family to this day, and struggles with processing what happened. sad is not an emotion she feels comfortable with, so it comes out as anger instead. anger is something she’s used to and comfortable with. anger is easy. she has mixed feelings about those who left for earth-2. she’s glad that damian left, as it was the best way to keep him safe. she isn’t sure how she feels about the others returning after abandoning the planet, but she’ll be happy to see damian again.

[logicalbookthief]

Now that Outsiders is over, a moment of silence for the Team characters arcs we could’ve had:

Stephanie Brown was abducted by the Reach and rescued by the Team last season. Does she feel survivor’s guilt over kids who weren’t? Her father is the Gotham villain, Cluemaster. Could he be involved in trafficking, and maybe that’s why she became a vigilante in this universe? Did she struggle to be acknowledged by Batman, like in the comics, or was she recruited to join the Team by someone else?

Speaking of villain parents, which YJ loves, why not touch on the fact that Lady Shiva – the Light’s new handler – is Cass Cain’s biological mother? Cass was raised to be a weapon used like the Light’s using her mom, yet she defied her upbringing and chose to be a hero instead. Hello, Megan! Parallels to Artemis and Kaldur. And you know what would’ve been the most symbolic, most amazing gesture to cement this journey??? Babs handing down the Batgirl mantle.

Speaking of hero legacies, how is it that in a show brimming with ‘em, nobody acknowledged on-screen that Cissie King-Jones became a hero after being inspired by Artemis way back when? Her arc in the comics could easily be adapted for this season’s drama: she once came VERY close to killing the person responsible for her friend’s death, which affects her so deeply she retires Arrowette. So what if in the show, this friend was a metahuman, killed/maimed by traffickers, and Cissie decides that jailing them isn’t enough, if it’ll just keep happening to other kids? This would force her, her teammates and her mentors to confront a moral quandary that would divide quite a few.

If they expanded on the Virgil & Jefferson relationship even just a little more (instead of the weird Jefferson/Jace affair) we could’ve had a neat arc for Virgil, too. His mentor, the main reason he joined the Team, abandons him because he can’t cope with guilt over failing the girl he killed; yet in doing so, he basically fails the mentee he was responsible for. Of course Virgil would be eager to join the Outsiders – a team of metakids, operating by their own means and specifically not tied to any mentors – if he’s feeling hurt, and more than a bit cheated. It would make a reconciliation with Jefferson more meaningful if these feelings were explored, or lead to Virgil having a moment of growth/realization of his own, maybe about being his own hero with his own legacy on the world?

Cassie was the greenhorn last season, and now, she’d be the most experienced member of the Team. Show us her being M’gann’s go-to, her right hand! Show her being a mentor, especially to younger/newer/less confidant members, like Steph and Traci! Show us a friendship with Cissie, which was a major point in the comics! And while I don’t particularly ship them, if the Anti-Light arc is going to ruin an apparently otherwise healthy 2-yr relationship, SHOW us Cassie reacting to this! Show her being angry, show her venting to her mom, show her loving the openness of the Outsiders because she’s sick of secrets and lies!!

Traci should’ve at least had a few scenes of being mentored by Zatanna, since it’s outright stated she’s not in full control of her powers. And in the comics, I’m pretty sure Traci’s father objects to her magic for fear she’ll be killed, which is totally a parallel to Zatanna, and also fits right into the themes of parental concern! ALSO, while she and Jaime are fine as a couple (but again, it could use a lot more development) why not hint at her canon sexuality? Heck, show her EXPLICITLY questioning her sexuality! What does it hurt to have her freaking out over meeting Queen Perdita just as much as Gar because ohmygod, she’s so regal and gorgeous! Have her watch a clip of Infinity Inc on the news and be like, “wow, she’s amazing” when one of the girls (coughNatashaIronscough) is on-screen, etc. Just, acknowledge her attraction to women!

Speaking of Jaime, couldn’t we have gotten a glimpse – throwaway lines, a scene or two – of his life, after everything that happened to with the Reach? Let him be excited about college, given that 2 years ago, he was afraid of becoming a pawn in the apocalypse and couldn’t even focus on school! Let us see how scared he is when they find that Reach ship, his panic, his oh please no, not again. Let him audibly enjoy being an Outsider, since the last time he had public exposure, he was on mode and now he has total agency in choosing what side he’s on.

I don’t mean to Bart Allen fan on main, but imo, he remains one of the most underutilized characters. This is a kid born into the worst case scenario outcome for metahumans. Is he noticing any horrifying similarities to the enslavement/exploitation of metas in his time? Let us see his worry, his desperation, his determination not to lose his family again, especially after Joan dies. Give us a flashback, a conversation, something along the lines of “you think this is bad? It can be so much worse, if we don’t do something about it now” that makes the heroes realize how much is riding on this. (And with how much flak the Anti-Light got for its deception and ends justify the means tactics...we’re really not going to acknowledge that was Bart’s story last season? That was his entire mission??)

I’m glad we got to see Eduardo as much as we did this season, but him and the Meta Human Youth Center were still criminally underused! The Youth Center was one of this season’s best ideas, and it really should’ve been the heart of it, given how much metahuman trafficking – and by extension, the degree to which kids with these abilities are manipulated or used by both sides, heroes and villains – was the focus of this season. Ed provides such a nice contrast to other members of the Team/Outsiders, too. This is a kid with no mentor, no legacy. He was just a victim of trafficking and manipulation himself who decided, “no, you know what? I’m going to fight this, any way I can.” I think that’s really where he gives inspiration and hope to other trafficked kids, this idea that you don’t need to have a hero affiliation to do right, or stand up and fight.

Speaking of former Runaways, Roy was?? Featured in like one episode, really? I mean, I’m glad he’s doing well from what we’ve seen! But it would’ve been cool to learn what he’s doing, if he’s not on the Team or part of the Outsiders (which. The Outsiders seems exactly like it would’ve been his type of gig, but whatever). Is he retired? Does he work exclusively with Ollie while they repair their relationship? Does he live with him and Dinah and his adopted siblings, Connor Hawke and Sin Lance? Or, how about, instead of the grossly forced UST between Artemis and Will, I present to you: Roy and Jim move in to help Will raise Lian, and we get sitcom-esque shenanigans of her, her dad, and her two uncles. I’ll call it-Three Harpers and a Baby.